. >> europe's biggest bank, you heard about this, hsbc agreed to pony up close to $2 billion to settle accusations of money laundering. the senate banking committee they found that hsbc in mexico shipped $7 billion in cash, mind you, across the border, maybe turned a blind eye to where the money came from, want you to listen to neil barofsky, we had him on the show yesterday, and i asked him whether top bank officials knew they were handling drug money there. >> the notion that this wasn't something that was known on senior levels of the banks, at least they had plenty of reason to suspect that this was ongoing and, look, i think somebody described it as the biggest slap on the wrist in the history of banking fines. >> stuart gulliver receiving the big wrist slap in terms of bank fines. told me 2 billion bucks, that was chump change and it shows that crime pays. what do you think? >> i think any big bank, anybody in charge of the bank, bears responsibility for the conduct of the bank. hsbc is a famously tightly run bank. obviously the people at the top had to know something was amiss.